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Ecurie Martini |
2008-09 discussion |
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FWIW, I just checked out all of the mail order suppliers on the Slot Car Illustrated site. Only one, Fantasy World, lists the 7 X 20 Ninco tire.
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Chaparral 2D |
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MRE and Pendle sell them in the UK. Dealt with them both a few times and have been treated quite well. Hmm. Guess that availability isn't quite as easy as
previously thought. Been thinking about the proposal and various options within. Need to consider more of the issues and options.
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Can someone fill the forum dwellers in on what was discussed? Please tell me there was something in there about moving events to my free weekends instead of
having everything fall on the same weekend, with 2 or 3 weekends free on either side?
-Nick
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03/25/08 03:59:03.
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Ecurie Martini |
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The tenure of the discussion was that our current classes are very close to one another in performance and there would be
merit in having a greater distinction thus, one possibility was a class for Can Am or Can Am like cars and a second for pre ('65, 64, 62?) sports cars with
a requirement that only a spec tire, the Ninco 7 X 20 mm "classic" tire be used. this latter requirement would put an effective limit on how much
power could be used. The current dual approach (stock and/or scratch built) subclasses would be maintained.
A couple of further thoughts in passing: The "spec tire" approach would be a useful was to create a "slower" class - I think it would be challenging to use more than a Ninco NC-1 or equivalent. Some of the popular 50's and early 60's "stock" candidates - the Ninco Jag, Porsche, Ferraris and the Fly GTO would enjoy a considerable advantage over scale scratch built cars of the same era as all of those examples are grossly over-width (although I assume that the rules would allow them to be used as bodies over scratch chassis) - observation, not value judgment My $0.02: I like the overall concept - to me, the Can Am cars are more interesting than the current LMP look-alikes and I really like the 50s and early 60s cars. I'll reserve judgment on the tires until I refit a set on one of my cars and try them. EM |
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nilsnews |
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Guys....
If you're looking for a spec tire for classics sports cars - how about these:
The #2002 tire is approx 20x7mm. the #2009 tire is approx 20x9. Both tires are listed as IN STOCK, at $4.50 / pair, from Professor Motor. Consider the following points: IG's hook up pretty well, at least on my track (not as good as Ortmans, but without the Ortman source issues) They wear extremely well (one pair will easily last a few seasons) They're perfectly round They fit both Ninco and BWA classic-size wheel (good for STOCK and BUILDERS) Supply is normally not a problem They can't be ground down into "rubber-bands," unlike softer urethane tires There's NO DOUBT what tire you're running because the part number is CLEARLY STAMPED on the inside sidewall of the tire. Heck... Jim B. may have a drawer full of them already, in his stash of mysterious slot car parts Just my $.02. |
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Mr56P |
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I recently ordered some K&D tires, and they are exactly the same compond as ORTMANS.... He (Kevin) didn't have 20x12 slot-it tires, so he asked me to
send him a set to use as mold creators and he wiped out a couple sets.... no extra charge. Kevin was very helpful, and the tires look and work good.
He has a link over on Home Racing World.... under the FOR SALE forum. $4.50 per set.... $2.00 shipping. PAYPAL or check. Tell 'em I sent ya!
Larry
Hellanbach Speedway Home of The Black Box Racing Team
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Chaparral 2D |
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Stock NINCO cars have severe problems with the wheels in terms of quality and also falling off and breaking apart. Also, the way they're motored, the only
viable NINCO classics would be the '56 Corvette with the NC-5, the Corvette with the NC-8, and the 550 Porsche with the NC-8. It would take a lot of work
or a near genius to make any stock Revellogram car from this era quick enough to work well. Same for the Fly GTO. There have been complaints about the modern
LMP being too restricted to a few choices. I see fewer choices in this proposed class in stock, period. And to find out, I'd have to buy all three and prep
them, wouldn't I!? That's about 200 dollars spent to get the answer as to what one is best for me. Already spent more than that on the LMP's.
I'd like to save a bit of cash for a bit.
Effectively, you're being almost forced to go mod by putting better axles and wheels on the cars, and in the case of the NC-1 cars, better motors and gearing. Might as well get an HRS or HRS 2 chassis and slap it underneath the shell of your choice and know it will be slower because of the NINCO rubber. And I'm certain I could take a car with NINCO 20x7 rubber and either a Slot.it, NSR, or MB Slot 21.5-25k motor, normal can or boxer depending on what pod and gearing I slap in and get the car to haul around the track. The problem is, time and expense. I can easily see about 2-300 dollars spent getting HRS- HRS2 chassis, the surrounding parts (BWA wheels and inserts; that's what about 20 bucks a car? More?), motors (20 bucks a clip), cars to tear apart for body shells, and trying to find the right set-up and vehicle to run with. I know my DBR-1 and others I've scratchbuilt would not be up to the task. They were ripped up when I ran them, and I think even if I did re-gear the DBR and put a better motor in, it's still be useless and very, very non-competitive. Personally, I'm all for keeping the modern cars- I have significant resources invested there, and have been trying to hold back on my spending. And let's face it, racing means you spend. I'd rather spend for tires here and there and a part here and there right now than be blowing big bucks to re-determine what car will work well and run well. There are also a lot of choices out there in modern LMP that run well. I'd bet development of a couple cars I have that are not the NSR's might get one to run faster. 50 hour work weeks and the fact I'm exhausted and burned out most of the time mean I'm not quite up to getting those right. The class as proposed because of the wheel and tire is too limited IMHO in terms of choices for stock. Just my educated guesses on what will happen in my case. And yes- I don't have to spend, but I don't find it very fun to run something that gets slaughtered because it's not up to snuff. I did that with my DBR-1 for the better part of a season awhile ago and found it a rather depressing, frustrating, and not an enjoyable experience. Even after a lot of changes and development it was still a 5th place car on a good day, even though it was a much better car at the end of the season. It's only good for tooling around by itself for a giggle. I'll sit and procure what it takes to put me in the hunt. and that means $$$$ whether I like it or not. Bob |
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I'm not quite sure what this is all about. I'm assuming there was some early discussion of racing classes for next season at the last event.
Unfortunately, due to a previous commitment at Summit Point the Polimeni clan was unable to attend at Alan's event.
As a past member (perhaps a current member?) of the rules committee here are my humble thoughts on the subject. My question would be, why should there necessarily be a large difference in performance between the classes? My understanding was that the "builders" and "stock" classes were to provide a place for those who like to build and those who prefer to run essentially "out of the box". Or is it that the "vintage" and "Le Mans prototype" classes are too close in performance? Again, what does it matter if they are. My suggestion would be to keep the two class, two race format. Have the first race for "modern" race cars and the second race for "vintage" iron (or vice versa). As we've been doing, the modern event could/should allow magnets in the stock class. Personally, I'd like to see the stock class evolve into a "snap together" class. This would alleviate the problem of the limited selection of "competitive" cars to which Bob alludes. "Stock" would be anything that can be swapped without cutting, glueing or otherwise modifying the stock parts. Chassis that do not come with a body (such as the HRS) would have to run "builders" class. For instance the Ninco Jag XK120 comes with an NC-1 motor. Ninco, however, supplies a motor pod to allow installation of a "boxer" style motor. Same for the wheels. I would suggest allowing any wheels so long as they take the legal tire for that class (pre or post '62). That would allow for a much greater variety of cars. As for running "out of the box"? The stock class would serve to address that too. It would simply be a matter of choosing the right "box stock" car. Other "stock" classes such as T/A for instance could have special restrictions where there would be only one chassis such as the Scaley T/A chassis permitted. Details such as "spec" tires etc. could be worked out as desired. I'd also like to see some more variety such as modern formula 1 or modern touring cars rotate with the current Le Mans class. Same could be done with "vintage". Rotate stockers, T/A, sports cars, Can Am cars, F1 etc. I'm just attempting to make it as much fun for as many folks as possible. The "builder/tuners" who want to go "nuts" would have a place to play as well those of us who just like to "tinker" a bit and those who simply want to "run what they brung" out the box or otherwise. We're a fairly "loose" club and I feel the rules should reflect that. I'll pass the soap box now. Ron. PS: I'll be happy to write up a formal set of rules as a proposal based on the thoughts expressed in this post . |
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Chaparral 2D |
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Ron, I need to read and think more about what you said at work. It's very good, and it will help me get through the UPS baloney I have come to loathe, so
thank you!
I also thought about what I do have a lot of so I didn't have to go out and buy stuff. I do have a lot of: NINCO SuperGT cars. Carrera Stockers Modern F1 Cars by Scalex and SCX. '50's F1 cars by Scalex and Cartrix and even some insane scratchbuild I bought off EBay from a nice British fellow who raced with Alan. I even have some Talbot-Lago T26C bodies to work with along with chassis. Personally, I have a thing for those '50's F1 cars. I'd love to race one of my Vanwalls, or my Jean Behra Maser, or my Frolian Gonzalez Ferrari, or the Farina Supersqualo... Or, get off my duff and take the time to finish the Rozier and Claes Talbots I envision doing or the Lancia-Ferrari D50 resin body sitting on my dresser as Fangio's car. See, there I have already blown the bucks and have a lot of material to work with and choose from. I'd be thrilled with a class that would allow me to race and enjoy those cars and to have incentive to build the pieces I have accrued and already spent the money on. Bob |
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Ecurie Martini |
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I'll second Bob's endorsement of the 50's GP cars - I've got a collection of them and like them even better
than the sports cars of the era - and, it's been a while since we had an open wheel class. I did the "Early Birds" at Wolverhampton in February.
It's open to anything pre-1959 with the exception of fully streamlined cars and it was a great event. The range of car types and sizes makes for some
interesting choices. As one might expect, the larger cars are a bit more stable but the smaller, lighter models have the advantage in tight spots. While at
first glance, it may seem that there is not a lot of RTR stuff out there, when you consider that there is only one livery for each car, the difference is not so great.
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point of view from a different angle. coming from a hobby riddled with excessive amounts of rules and folks changin classes quicker than their shorts, perhaps
i could add this. i'm dabblin in slots for fun, i did not care where i finished at my 1st event of yours last wk. it really didnt matter. i just want to
take the cars that i buy out of the box and run them (yes removin magnets for 'period' cars and tryin to make brands close i understand). but beyond
that i dont care. i will not be buyin 'super' tires, uber cool lightweight axles, mag wheels, type-r brushes, turbo motors etc. just want to run the
car and relax. RC is littered in BS now, and i'm trying to run from it. so i guess bring all ur cars out, let the group put a few piles of similar cars
together and run them all day.
just .02 R |
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